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Errin Clark's avatar

Two points I wished to make as a comment after reading this post are probably much better (or at least more succinctly) articulated in the following comment made by John Daly (enumeration mine):

"[1] There is in any event no need to recur to the materialiter-formaliter vocabulary to enunciate what the thesis holds ... It is more important to seize what a man believes and wants to communicate than to get bogged down in questions of semantics — hence, though I think it regrettable, I have nothing more to say here about the technical Guerardian vocabulary and I shall not be using it again in these notes. [2] I add however that the Cassiciacum thesis is also innocent of the charge of claiming that matter can exist without form. Matter cannot exist without form, but the matter of a particular entity can certainly exist without the due form of that entity, in which case the entity itself is not present."

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The correct way to argue the sedevacantist position and avoid the pitfalls of the personal heresy argument is as proposed by Fr Okerulu:

1. The Novus Ordo Church that poses as the Catholic Church is a non-Catholic sect practising a new religion, based on the evil, erroneous, heretical and blasphemous doctrines and laws contained in Vatican II documents, catechisms, 1983 Code of Canon Law and their pronouncements in general.

2. Those who adhere to the Novus Ordo as members are therefore non-Catholics, having publicly defected from the Catholic Faith. They are no different from Anglicans and all protestants and schismatics.

3. Per Canon Law referenced below, Catholics who have publicly defected from the Faith, all non-Catholics, all members of non-Catholic sects, *EVEN WITHOUT ANY DECLARATION,* are unable to hold offices in the Catholic Church, or if previously holding offices, automatically lose such offices.

- Canon 188 no. 4

- Canon 2314 no. 3

4. This obliges all Catholics to ignore the entire Novus Ordo hierarchy as a non-Catholic hierarchy, and makes Masses in which their prelates are mentioned EQUIVALENT to Masses in which the schismatic patriarch of Constantinople or the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury is mentioned.

5. Traditional Catholic clergy do not require abjuration of converts from the Novus Ordo Church because the absence of ecclesiastical condemnation makes them enjoy the presumption in the juridical order of being deceived rather than formally heretical and adhering to a non-Catholic religion, just as the Church does not require abjuration of members of non-Catholic sects who have reached the age of reason to commit mortal sin but not reached the age of puberty based on presumption of lack of formal adherence. cf Canon 2230.

6. The Church does not maintain a directory of non-Catholic sects nor does she always condemn each one by name. She does not consider it necessary because non-Catholic sects are manifestly so, practising a different religion with different creeds and rites. She does not necessarily declare public defection by individuals but rules to the contrary: that a public defection or mere giving one's name to a non-Catholic sect is notorious in itself to confirm loss of office. Fr Okerulu brilliantly argues that ecclesiastical condemnation does not constitute a non-Catholic sect as such. Non-Catholic sects are constituted by their rejection of the Catholic Faith and institution of new doctrines and rites.

7. EVERY TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC by experience knows the Novus Ordo is a different religion with false doctrines irreverent rites. But it's truly an organisation, acting as a moral body and universally recognised as such. Its decrees and judgments are formal acts of this body, this moral union, this organisation, this sect. It cannot not be called an organisation and its formal acts proceed from it as operations of a moral being. This organisation CANNOT be the Roman Catholic Church! The SSPX and Thesis adherents do not emphasise this conclusion completely founded in reality ONLY BECAUSE they think admitting it impacts the Apostolicity of the Roman Catholic Church. It absolutely doesn't.

See Fr Okerulu's article here. I think it requires some refinement but find the three core conclusions incontrovertible.

https://www.strcnigeria.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Defense-of-the-Theological-Sedevacantist-Position.pdf

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