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I haven't read the article, but I'd like to say a word on the objection "the thesis of Cassiciacum is too complicated, why all those distinctions, it shouldn't be that hard..."

The Thesis in itself is not complicated. I even dare to say that if you strip it of any mention of the materialiter and the formaliter, it should become pretty evident. It would read like this: "Leo XIV is not the Pope, BUT the next Pope has got to be either him or one of his successors".

Even the most fervent "totalists" shouldn't disagree with that conclusion. Otherwise, what's the point of even thinking and talking about Leo? What's the point of dedicating dozens of posts a day to his scandals? Doesn't that show that we're in a way expecting something from him? If he's really "no Pope at all" (not even materialiter) why even care about what he does and says? If he's really as much of a Pope as some pagan in the Amazon forest, doesn't that show a little bit of a sickly obsession with the man Robert Prevost? Why not dedicate thousands of articles to that Amazonian pagan's non-Catholic acts?

We care about what that particular person (Robert Prevost) says or does because among 8 billion people in this world, he's the only one who's positioned to become Pope were he to break with Vatican 2. Let's say these two scenarios happen at the same time:

1) Prevost comes out of the balcony of St. Peter's square, repudiates Vatican 2 and orders all of its documents to be burned. He asks Bp. Sahagún de la Parra to ordain and consecrate him a bishop and orders all the NO "priests" and "bishops" to repudiate Vatican 2 and, if they obey, be ordained and consecrated.

2) Some guy say, from Québec, claims he's the Pope elected by an "imperfect council" of excommunicate "bishops" (Ad Apostolorum Principis). He gives the urbi et orbi from the terrace of a log cabin in the presence of 10 of his followers and a grizzly bear. Except for a couple thousand people, no other Catholic in the world has ever heard his name or the names of those who are vouching for him.

Whom should you recognize as true Pope? Whom should you submit to with that obedience we are due to a true Roman Pontiff? Be honest.

What Fr. Guérard des Lauriers did was to pinpoint exactly what is that "something" of the Papacy that Prevost possesses and that the other guy does not possess. For lack of a better term, he called it the material aspect of the papacy. That that "thing" exists should be evident to everybody including "totalists" as I tried to explain above. Fr. Guérard des Lauriers just gave it a name. That's it. That's the thesis for you.

And no, that "something", the material aspect of the Papacy, is NOT authority by any means. We're not claiming that by virtue of the materialiter, Leo should be obeyed sometimes and disobeyed at other times. That's NOT what the thesis say. Please, "totalists", drop your affected zeal, we are as disobedient to Leo as you are.

Even though "totalism" and the thesis have the same practical consequences (Leo should not be obeyed nor recognized as Pope), their distinction is not trivial. That's because the thesis arrives at its conclusion from the observation of the external forum of Paul VI and his successors (their public, manifest acts). The conclusion necessarily has to conform to this observation, therefore we need to "leave some room" for certain scenarios that are occult or pertain to the internal forum (was Paul VI acting under coercion? Was he a perfectly orthodox Catholic in his internal forum?). His public acts only allow us to go as far as affirming that he didn't have any authority (he was not Pope formaliter), but they don't necessarily show that he was *personally* a heretic, a schismatic, etc. That "room" we need to leave for those possibilities is accounted for in the material aspect of the papacy.

In the case of Paul VI (and possibly John Paul II), there was also the undisputable fact that they got elected by true cardinals. That valid designation has to mean something. That is also accounted for in the materialiter.

Another significant source of confusion is that people don't understand that the material-formal distinction is *analogical*. Even those who claim to adhere to the thesis, don't seem to understand that. I remember watching some videos by the RCI (too lazy to look them up now) where they clearly say that "authority is the form of the Papacy" and that "the elect is the matter". That's problematic because there's no matter without form, the Pope is not a composite, etc. All these objections from "totalists" would bear some weight IF that's what the original thesis said but it doesn't. That's just an innovation or a misunderstanding from the RCI.

The thesis in itself does not solve any problem (but neither does "totalism"). However, IMO, it is the only explanation of the current situation that is 100% consistent with the facts and with what faith and reason demands us to believe and think. Also, the thesis is "a fine instrument of discernment which will be precious to us in distinguishing the moment when – by a truly miraculous grace of God – authority will be restored" - Fr. Hervé Belmont. If somebody claims to be the Pope but he's not Leo nor one of his successors, the thesis tells you to run away from him.

The original thesis: https://archive.org/details/cahiers-de-cassiciacum-1-1/mode/2up

A useful commentary on the thesis by Fr. Belmont: https://www.wmreview.org/p/the-cassiciacum-thesis-one-explanation

EDIT: One last thought about the "thesis too complicated" objection. The crisis in the Church is ultimately a mystery. How is it that 1 billion+ Catholics (minus a few thousand) consider certain men to be Popes when perennial Catholic doctrine unmistakenly says otherwise? Does an adequate explanation of such a mysterious phenomenon necessarily have to be simple? I don't think so.

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