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Sean Johnson's avatar

Great article. A couple thought it inspired:

1) The new SSPX holds out the example of Fr. Starks (admitted by Lefebvre into the Society without conditional ordination) as a justification for not requiring conditional ordination. But as the article shows, Lefebvre’s position on some issues changed or matured over time (eg., new Mass attendance; negotiating with Rome) and perhaps also in this matter of conditional ordination. Not sure exactly when Starks was admitted, but I seem to recall it was one of the issues raised by “the Nine,” which would put it no later than 1983.

2) As regards the new 1968 rites and the “saved by context” argument (ie., the ambiguity of the essential form is rectified by the ancillary rites clearly supposing the consecration of a bishop/priest):

I’m wondering if that principle (I forget the Latin phrase at the moment, but it seems to be well-grounded in Catholic theology) is a two-way street: If it can be used to resolve an ambiguity, can it also be used to cause one?

For example, in the new ordination rite: The essential form is nearly identical to the traditional one, but the ancillary rites approximate the null Anglican rite. Does this principle remove the otherwise univocal meaning of the essential form (ie., must not this principle regarding the ancillary rites always remain in consideration, whether to resolve an ambiguity, or to cause one)?

An absurd example to explain the question: Let’s say a Novus Ordo is said, in which the first half of the Mass is about the psychological history of Daffy Duck. Then the priest pronounces the correct words of consecration. Then he continues blathering on about what the future holds for Daffy Duck.

In such a case, would the ancillary rites have no bearing because the essential form was unambiguous? Or would we be compelled to question the intention of the minister using such a rite, notwithstanding the safeguarding of the essential form?

I really don’t know the answer, but my initial reaction was that if the ancillary rites can be used to resolve an ambiguity, maybe they can also be used to cause one. And on a slightly different note, even if the essential form is protected, would not the use of such a rite make the minister’s intention inherently dubious?

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Michael Wilson's avatar

Msgr. Lefebvre never ever called into question the validity of the new sacramental rites or of Vatican II, here is a small excerpt from one of his sermons in 1976, Lille, France:

The union desired by these Liberal Catholics, a union between the Church and the Revolution and subversion is, for the Church, an adulterous union, adulterous. And that adulterous union can produce only bastards. And who are those bastards? They are our rites: the rite of Mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments-we no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or which do not give grace. We no longer know if this Mass gives the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ or if it does not give them. The priests coming out of the seminaries do not themselves know what they are. In Rome it was the Archbishop of Cincinnati who said: "Why are there no more vocations? Because the Church no longer knows what a priest is." How then can She still form priests if She does not know what a priest is? The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests. They do not know what they are. They do not know that they were made to go up to the altar to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ, to give Jesus Christ to souls, and to call souls to Jesus Christ. That is what a priest is. Our young men here know that very well. Their whole life is going to be consecrated to that, to love, adore, and serve Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist.

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