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Sean Johnson's avatar

Great article. A couple thought it inspired:

1) The new SSPX holds out the example of Fr. Starks (admitted by Lefebvre into the Society without conditional ordination) as a justification for not requiring conditional ordination. But as the article shows, Lefebvre’s position on some issues changed or matured over time (eg., new Mass attendance; negotiating with Rome) and perhaps also in this matter of conditional ordination. Not sure exactly when Starks was admitted, but I seem to recall it was one of the issues raised by “the Nine,” which would put it no later than 1983.

2) As regards the new 1968 rites and the “saved by context” argument (ie., the ambiguity of the essential form is rectified by the ancillary rites clearly supposing the consecration of a bishop/priest):

I’m wondering if that principle (I forget the Latin phrase at the moment, but it seems to be well-grounded in Catholic theology) is a two-way street: If it can be used to resolve an ambiguity, can it also be used to cause one?

For example, in the new ordination rite: The essential form is nearly identical to the traditional one, but the ancillary rites approximate the null Anglican rite. Does this principle remove the otherwise univocal meaning of the essential form (ie., must not this principle regarding the ancillary rites always remain in consideration, whether to resolve an ambiguity, or to cause one)?

An absurd example to explain the question: Let’s say a Novus Ordo is said, in which the first half of the Mass is about the psychological history of Daffy Duck. Then the priest pronounces the correct words of consecration. Then he continues blathering on about what the future holds for Daffy Duck.

In such a case, would the ancillary rites have no bearing because the essential form was unambiguous? Or would we be compelled to question the intention of the minister using such a rite, notwithstanding the safeguarding of the essential form?

I really don’t know the answer, but my initial reaction was that if the ancillary rites can be used to resolve an ambiguity, maybe they can also be used to cause one. And on a slightly different note, even if the essential form is protected, would not the use of such a rite make the minister’s intention inherently dubious?

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Technically, +T isn't wrong, as the only time I've seen Mgr. Lefebvre actually state that the form for the NREC and NRPO is defective was privately and only brought up in these interviews, which we have no reason to doubt. It seems that his mind was more in doubt of the intention of the minister of the new rite of priestly ordination and episcopal consecration during the '80's, as we see for example in Open Letter to Confused Catholics and his sermons of June 29 &30 1988 ("Operation Survival"):

"Yet the situation is even more serious than it appears. The question has also to be asked, how many priests still have the faith? And even a further question, regarding some of the priests ordained in recent years: are they true priests at all? Put it another way, are their ordinations valid? The same doubt overhangs other sacraments. It applies to certain ordinations of bishops such as that which took place in Brussels in the summer of 1982 when the consecrating bishop said to the ordinand, "Be an apostle like Gandhi, Helder Camara, and Mohamed!" Can we reconcile these references, at least as regards Gandhi and Mohamed, with the evident intention of doing what the Church intends?

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The "matter" of the sacrament has been preserved in the laying on of hands which takes place next, and likewise the "form," namely the words of ordination. But we are obliged to point out that the intention is far from clear. Has the priest been ordained for the exclusive service of one social class and, first and foremost, to establish justice, fellowship and peace at a level which appears to be limited to the natural order only? The eucharistic celebration which follows, "the first Mass" in effect, of the new priest was, in fact, on these lines. The offertory has been specially composed for the circumstances. "We welcome you, Lord, by receiving on your behalf this bread and wine which you offer us; we wish to show by this all our work and our efforts to build a more just and more humane world, all that we are trying to bring about so that better living conditions may follow..." The prayer over the offerings is even more dubious: "Look, Lord we offer you this bread and this wine, that they may become for us one of the ways in which you are present." No! People who celebrate in this manner do not believe in the Real Presence!"

Open Letter, chapter 7, The News Priests

"Why Ecône? At that time perhaps you did not perfectly realize the fight that Ecône leads. You came because of your desire to be formed in Tradition. Indeed, it seemed to you that to separate oneself from Tradition was to separate oneself from the Church and, therefore, to receive possibly doubtful sacraments and a formation which is certainly not according to the principles of the Magisterium of the Church of All Times. Thus you made this path to Ecône, which no doubt merited you some criticism, perhaps from certain priests in your area, perhaps from a part of your family. You suffered for it, but in the strength of your Faith, and with the grace of God, you came."

June 29, 1988, priestly ordinations in Econe

"You well know, my dear brethren, that there can be no priests without bishops. When God calls me - no doubt this will be before long - from whom would these seminarians receive the Sacrament of Orders? From conciliar bishops, who, due to their doubtful intentions, confer doubtful sacraments? This is not possible. Who are the bishops who have truly kept Tradition and the Sacraments such as the Church has conferred them for twenty centuries until Vatican II? They are Bishop de Castro Mayer and myself. I cannot change that. That is how it is. Hence, many seminarians have entrusted themselves to us, they sensed that here was the continuity of the Church, the continuity of' Tradition. And they came to our seminaries, despite all the difficulties that they have encountered, in order to receive a true ordination to the Priesthood, to say the true Sacrifice of Calvary, the true Sacrifice of the Mass, and to give you the true Sacraments, true doctrine, the true catechism. This is the goal of these seminaries."

June 30, 1988, episcopal consecrations in Econe, "Operation Survival"

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