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There's a distinction and strong objection we sedevacantists have struggled to properly grasp

and that has caused us to not thoroughly and directly and sufficiently address the objection made by notable SSPX authorities as regards heresy and loss of office.

It's the important distinction between the real order and the legal order.

And this should illustrate the point:

"If the pope dies and nobody knows about it, does he retain office until someone finds him and issues a death certificate?"

Response:

1. In reality, he's not pope.

2. In the legal order, the office of the papacy is still not vacant until that fact of death has been legally established. Whatever the requirements in law are, or presumptions accepted by law, must be followed.

3. Cry out all you want that you are certain that the pope is dead, you CANNOT OBLIGE the entire Catholic world to cease mentioning his name in the Canon of the Mass and other prayers until his death is legally established.

4. Cry out all you want that you are certain that the pope is dead, you cannot accuse anyone of sin for merely refusing to acknowledge your testimony that the pope is dead. Every priest LICITLY mentions the pope's name at Mass until the pope's death is formally established.

5. If you are certain of his death, you are probably OBLIGED to act according to that certitude. I say "probably" because I'm not certain how the rules in Moral Theology on acting according to one's properly formed conscience apply here.

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Substitute a dead pope above for an "UNDECLARED manifest formal heretic" and the same conclusions apply.

1. In reality, the undeclared formal heretic is not pope IF AND ONLY IF it is true that a manifestly heretical pope ipso facto loses office. I say "IF" because there's no definitive judgment of the Church on this, YET. I, like many, personally believes this most certainly the correct OPINION.

2. In the legal order, the office of the papacy is still not vacant UNTIL AT LEAST a declaratory sentence.

3. Cry out all you want that you are certain that the pope is a manifest heretic, you cannot oblige the entire Catholic world to cease mentioning his name in the Canon of the Mass and other prayers until the pertinacity of his heresy and the attendant consequences are LEGALLY established and consequently bind all Catholics to act accordinly.

4. Cry out all you want that you are certain that the pope is a manifest heretic, you cannot accuse anyone of sin for merely refusing to acknowledge your conclusion that the pope is a manifest heretic, for they can rightly or wrongly argue extenuating circumstances that remove presumption of pertinacity, and also PERSONALLY, rightly or wrongly, come to the conclusion that he's no formal heretic. Every priest licitly mentions the pope's name at Mass UNTIL the pope's manifest heresy and loss of office is formally legally established.

5. If you are certain of his manifest heresy, you are propably OBLIGED to act according to that certitude. I say "probably" because I'm not certain how the rules in Moral Theology on acting according to one's properly formed conscience apply here.

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This is the SSPX's best objection and it is an excellent one that should not be answered by rehashing arguments based on answers to questions that HAVE NOT YET BEEN definitively settled by the Church. Even though the answers are MOST PROBABLE, they are still not obligatory.

All of this is common sense, when subjectivism is replaced with the objective lens.

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