From a forgotten tomb to worldwide veneration, St Philomena inspired miracles, papal praise, and the devotion of saints – until a 1961 decree, which resulted in her ‘unpersoning’ by John XXIII.
While I find the removal of St. Philomena's feast day from the liturgy despicable, I would not go so far as to say it is heretical and an example of defection, seeing as St. Joachim suffered the exact same fate for the exact same reasons under a legitimate pontiff.
Because of this historical fact I would caution against promulgating that argument against John XXIII, since one would then be exposed to a counterexample of St. Joachim.
1. I agree to the extent that we haven't presented this as evidence he wasn't the pope.
2. Omlor's specific argument was that it indicated a rejection of the infallibility of canonisations. While that would be an error, it isn't a heresy (according to most).
3. Questions:
- Was St Joachim ever canonised as St Philomena was?
- Was St Joachim "expunged from all calendars" as St Philomena was?
1) Thank you for clarifying, I apologize for poorly wording my original comment, as it did make it seem as if I meant you were making that argument instead of you presenting the views of another.
2) Understood, thank you for clarifying!
3) for both questions, if my memory serves me (which it very well might not), I read up on that detail of St. Joachim from Dom Prosper's Liturgical Year. It should therefore have all the details that I would be privy to in the section of that work dedicated to St. Joachim's feast day. I don't have access currently to verify, but that should be able to provide the answers to your questions.
“About the year 1510, Julius II placed the feast of the grandfather of the Messias upon the Roman Calendar with the rank of double major…
“Hardly fifty years after the Pontificate of Julius II the critical spirit of the day cast doubts upon the history of St. Joachim, and his name was erased from the Roman breviary. Gregory XV, however, re-established his feast in 1622 as a double, and the Church has since continued to celebrate it.
I pray to her every morning also Frank. I picked up a little prayer card at Silverstream monastery in county Meath a few years ago - “pray for us who are frail that we may be healed..”
What a disgrace that even in 1908, priests were actively promoting modernism. Nothing has changed, except that it has gotten much worse. Leo has done nothing to dismantle or even slow down the attacks of modernists and heretics.
Even though I've known for several years now that canonizations have always been considered infallible exercises of the papal magisterium, I had never until now thought that the removal of canonized saints by "Saint" John XXIII & "Saint" Paul VI (he removed over 90 in 1969!) was evidence of them being invalid popes, even though I've considered these two, as well as their successors, false popes for both theological reasons: novusordowatch.org ("False Popes" tab) & for historical reasons: novusordowatch.org/2016/10/smoke-signals-white-smoke-1958; whitesmoke1958.com, along with prophecies being fulfilled in them and in the Vatican II church as a whole.
Then there's Francis "canonizing" the three V2 "popes," just more added evidence that he could not have been a valid pope.
The first permanent foundation of the Redemptorists in North America was founded in 1839 in Pittsburgh, PA, and dedicated to Saint Philomena. In the 1920s a new church and monastery were built in a different location as the location had become industrial. The foundation and parish were suppressed in the 1990s. Until its closure it remained dedicated to St. Philomena.
“He was no an unperson. And that is exactly what Satan hoped to do to St Philomena.”
No = now.
While I find the removal of St. Philomena's feast day from the liturgy despicable, I would not go so far as to say it is heretical and an example of defection, seeing as St. Joachim suffered the exact same fate for the exact same reasons under a legitimate pontiff.
Because of this historical fact I would caution against promulgating that argument against John XXIII, since one would then be exposed to a counterexample of St. Joachim.
Interesting. Some points:
1. I agree to the extent that we haven't presented this as evidence he wasn't the pope.
2. Omlor's specific argument was that it indicated a rejection of the infallibility of canonisations. While that would be an error, it isn't a heresy (according to most).
3. Questions:
- Was St Joachim ever canonised as St Philomena was?
- Was St Joachim "expunged from all calendars" as St Philomena was?
Regarding the points raised:
1) Thank you for clarifying, I apologize for poorly wording my original comment, as it did make it seem as if I meant you were making that argument instead of you presenting the views of another.
2) Understood, thank you for clarifying!
3) for both questions, if my memory serves me (which it very well might not), I read up on that detail of St. Joachim from Dom Prosper's Liturgical Year. It should therefore have all the details that I would be privy to in the section of that work dedicated to St. Joachim's feast day. I don't have access currently to verify, but that should be able to provide the answers to your questions.
I'll have a look. According to iPieta, his feast is coming up on the 16th August....
The pertinent sections from Don Gueranger:
“About the year 1510, Julius II placed the feast of the grandfather of the Messias upon the Roman Calendar with the rank of double major…
“Hardly fifty years after the Pontificate of Julius II the critical spirit of the day cast doubts upon the history of St. Joachim, and his name was erased from the Roman breviary. Gregory XV, however, re-established his feast in 1622 as a double, and the Church has since continued to celebrate it.
I love Saint Philomena!
I do too and I pray to her often. I had no idea about all this. What a fascinating account. Thank you again WM Review.
Thanks Frank!
I pray to her every morning also Frank. I picked up a little prayer card at Silverstream monastery in county Meath a few years ago - “pray for us who are frail that we may be healed..”
What a disgrace that even in 1908, priests were actively promoting modernism. Nothing has changed, except that it has gotten much worse. Leo has done nothing to dismantle or even slow down the attacks of modernists and heretics.
Even though I've known for several years now that canonizations have always been considered infallible exercises of the papal magisterium, I had never until now thought that the removal of canonized saints by "Saint" John XXIII & "Saint" Paul VI (he removed over 90 in 1969!) was evidence of them being invalid popes, even though I've considered these two, as well as their successors, false popes for both theological reasons: novusordowatch.org ("False Popes" tab) & for historical reasons: novusordowatch.org/2016/10/smoke-signals-white-smoke-1958; whitesmoke1958.com, along with prophecies being fulfilled in them and in the Vatican II church as a whole.
Then there's Francis "canonizing" the three V2 "popes," just more added evidence that he could not have been a valid pope.
The first permanent foundation of the Redemptorists in North America was founded in 1839 in Pittsburgh, PA, and dedicated to Saint Philomena. In the 1920s a new church and monastery were built in a different location as the location had become industrial. The foundation and parish were suppressed in the 1990s. Until its closure it remained dedicated to St. Philomena.
I wonder if Roncalli realized that by saying Gregory had erred in an infallible declaration he was stripping himself of infallibility?