This phenomenon is spreading quickly, not just among traditional Catholics but among other Christians as well, especially those with an evangelical flair and an imminent-apocalypse/political lean. Huge talk of prophesy and sifting hidden knowledge for hints of what is to come. I read the postings on Telegram and elsewhere and am amazed at the esoteric nature of what is posted as compatible with Christianity as usually understood. I was told by one very sincere believer a couple weeks ago that ‘Gematria runs the world whether you believe it or not.’ Of course, Gematria is a Kabbalistic numerical system supposedly able to uncover occult meanings and connections between apparently different ideas, circumstances, etc.
You may already know of this fellow Stacker of yours, Chris Jackson, who is on the same train concerning the occult and traditional Catholics. The following and more on his feed, which goes by the name Hireath in Exile:
I literally gasped at some of the content per who among significant Catholic clergy and/or theologians, and others, have taken on esoterica as compatible with orthodox belief.
Stack is not cooperating with my edits, my apology. The second has the proper names of the gentlemen referred to for their own fine writings, as they deserve!
This phenomenon can also be observed in our country, although only a handful of people have even gotten to the old mass. In my Eastern European way, I have always thought that these esoteric trads are simply agents. (Of course, I may be wrong, but we have lived among agents at all levels for too long. Out of 10 million people, 1 million were agents, including the peace priests who reported who went to mass. The Davos church seems to me to be the same agent structure as the state party was under communism. True, today AI does the surveillance and soon the liquidation, but the work of the agent is irreplaceable in cultural Marxism: If, where you could find the truth, there are paperboys shouting lies, then the possibility of finding the truth can be successfully taken away.)
In communism, there were two ways someone could be agent: on "patriotic grounds", i.e. voluntarily, or forced by blackmail, because they could be blackmailed.
I think that most agents are recruited into traditionalism.
The sudden silence with Prevost greatly intensified the long-standing smell of agents.
The 6 million Christian martyrs, on whose blood the Christian Roma was built, were neither agents nor blackmailable, nor esoterics
For a few minutes I was wondering if I had blundered into an unknown Monty Python sketch, with Roger Buck telling Morello that Valentin Tomberg (died 1973) has been acting as a "daemon" and guiding Morello. Plainly there are ever expanding layers of wackiness in this area of spirituality. McFadden should soon have enough material for a much expanded edition of his monograph. Indeed it might have grown to the length of a major book.
note by the way that this viewpoint/ attitude is informed by Protestant and Enlightenment desacralisation. if you read the fathers and look at mediæval life, you wouldn’t think like this.
also, notable pre-conciliar manualists like Prümmer do not condemn white magic, only that which is motivated by evil
I personally would not use the magic terminology so much, as it is defective in several ways (two-tiered worldview, the quasi-mechanistic taking advantage of creation among others) it is clear that the author of this essay and the hand-wringers are the more detached and fundamentally out of touch with the world as viewed by Christian teaching - note, it is not an empty box with people in it and immaterial decoration strewn around - there is stuff about us and the acknowledgement of spirits, archons, demons, etc. or the basic recognition that some actions and places are holier than others (note: liturgy and shrines) is Christian and good, regardless of how uncomfortable some are made by the language
here, prudence should be employed. but I dare you to read even Augustine and St Thomas in full and not come out to condemn them for the same - because their views were closer to those you criticise
Thank you, thank you! Such important work.
This phenomenon is spreading quickly, not just among traditional Catholics but among other Christians as well, especially those with an evangelical flair and an imminent-apocalypse/political lean. Huge talk of prophesy and sifting hidden knowledge for hints of what is to come. I read the postings on Telegram and elsewhere and am amazed at the esoteric nature of what is posted as compatible with Christianity as usually understood. I was told by one very sincere believer a couple weeks ago that ‘Gematria runs the world whether you believe it or not.’ Of course, Gematria is a Kabbalistic numerical system supposedly able to uncover occult meanings and connections between apparently different ideas, circumstances, etc.
You may already know of this fellow Stacker of yours, Chris Jackson, who is on the same train concerning the occult and traditional Catholics. The following and more on his feed, which goes by the name Hireath in Exile:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bigmodernism/p/why-are-tarot-and-kabbalah-books?r=c6q4u&utm_medium=ios
And here is an amazing series by Alastair McFadden as recommended by Chris in his work.
https://justacatholic.medium.com/observations-on-the-influence-of-the-occult-in-traditional-catholic-discourse-2d798e5ba51c
I literally gasped at some of the content per who among significant Catholic clergy and/or theologians, and others, have taken on esoterica as compatible with orthodox belief.
Stack is not cooperating with my edits, my apology. The second has the proper names of the gentlemen referred to for their own fine writings, as they deserve!
Thank you, very thorough summary!
This phenomenon can also be observed in our country, although only a handful of people have even gotten to the old mass. In my Eastern European way, I have always thought that these esoteric trads are simply agents. (Of course, I may be wrong, but we have lived among agents at all levels for too long. Out of 10 million people, 1 million were agents, including the peace priests who reported who went to mass. The Davos church seems to me to be the same agent structure as the state party was under communism. True, today AI does the surveillance and soon the liquidation, but the work of the agent is irreplaceable in cultural Marxism: If, where you could find the truth, there are paperboys shouting lies, then the possibility of finding the truth can be successfully taken away.)
In communism, there were two ways someone could be agent: on "patriotic grounds", i.e. voluntarily, or forced by blackmail, because they could be blackmailed.
I think that most agents are recruited into traditionalism.
The sudden silence with Prevost greatly intensified the long-standing smell of agents.
The 6 million Christian martyrs, on whose blood the Christian Roma was built, were neither agents nor blackmailable, nor esoterics
Bald, satanic attack on Church continues apace. St. Michael, defend us in battle!
For a few minutes I was wondering if I had blundered into an unknown Monty Python sketch, with Roger Buck telling Morello that Valentin Tomberg (died 1973) has been acting as a "daemon" and guiding Morello. Plainly there are ever expanding layers of wackiness in this area of spirituality. McFadden should soon have enough material for a much expanded edition of his monograph. Indeed it might have grown to the length of a major book.
note by the way that this viewpoint/ attitude is informed by Protestant and Enlightenment desacralisation. if you read the fathers and look at mediæval life, you wouldn’t think like this.
also, notable pre-conciliar manualists like Prümmer do not condemn white magic, only that which is motivated by evil
I personally would not use the magic terminology so much, as it is defective in several ways (two-tiered worldview, the quasi-mechanistic taking advantage of creation among others) it is clear that the author of this essay and the hand-wringers are the more detached and fundamentally out of touch with the world as viewed by Christian teaching - note, it is not an empty box with people in it and immaterial decoration strewn around - there is stuff about us and the acknowledgement of spirits, archons, demons, etc. or the basic recognition that some actions and places are holier than others (note: liturgy and shrines) is Christian and good, regardless of how uncomfortable some are made by the language
here, prudence should be employed. but I dare you to read even Augustine and St Thomas in full and not come out to condemn them for the same - because their views were closer to those you criticise
wishing all a blesséd Pentecost
Apparently, people have too much time on their hands if they are reading material that might endanger their souls.