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"WM: Liénart’s alleged masonry is not “well known”; rumours of his alleged masonry are. Coomaraswamy suggests that even Lefebvre’s “admissions” that Liénart was a freemason are problematic, and based on a demonstrably false memory of a specific photograph."

Sorry, but that's very poor logic. There need only be sufficient evidence to establish positive doubt ... nor does "well known" (yea or nay) have anything to do with it. You pretty much admit at the outset that you don't want the conclusion to be true, due to its consequences, so it's easy to watch you twisting things such as right here to marshall in support of your pre-determined conclusion.

AND, you fail to define "presumption", that the Church PRESUMES a Sacrament to be valid. That just means you may frequent those Sacraments without troubling your conscience, but that doesn't make it valid.

Fr. Cekada's argument strawmans the position.

No one has adequatley refuted Bishop Joseph Marie's presentation ... because, everyone to a person has bungled the notion of what it means to have the (internal) intention to do what the Church does. HINT: it's the same issue people have in bungling the notion of what "internal assent" means.

Here's the actual answer: When +Lienart put on his vestments, and attended a ceremony that was understood to be that of an ordination of priests, pulled out the Ritual, and performed the Rite, by that very fact he had the internal intention to DO what the Church does. Everyone routinely bungles the notion of "internal intention" with intending to do what the Church intends.

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