Fr Thomas Crean appeals to the visibility of the Church as a means of refuting those who posit an extended vacancy of the Holy See. But this treatment is radically insufficient.
If it could be made to happen, perhaps once this multi part article is fully published, it would be a fantastic opportunity to get Fr. Crean, yourself, and Dr. K on with the usual folks, like Radical Fidelity, The Catholic Esquire, Novus Ordo Watch, CFP, and Bishop Sanborn all in one place for a thorough discussion on Kokx News.
If I am not mistaken, St Michael told the Venerable Catherine Emmerich that if she was the only Catholic there would be the Catholic Church! How appropriate for these times don’t u think?
I was recently on Stephen Kokx’s “Trad Roundup,” and one of the panelists (Matt Gaspers) was making the visibility argument against one of his sedevacantist interlocutors, saying that visibility destroys the entire sedevacantist argument.
Because we’d all agreed to an agenda in advance (which was supposed to discuss the forthcoming SSPX episcopal consecrations), and this digression had already gone on for some time, I held my peace and refrained from interjecting, out of respect for Mr. Kokx.
But now I’m glad I did, because my own comments could not possibly have been as lucid, cogent, and complete as what is written here.
A truly excellent article, and one to bookmark!
I still retain the hope that one day you guys will take all these great articles and join them together in book form. They can stand alone as chapters. It wouldn’t take much to do.
"In this article, we will refer to this body of men as The Conciliar/Synodal Church."
That works, but I am calling it the "Second Vatican Church" - deliberately omitting any reference to a council. Because that was not a council of the Catholic Church, but a new establishment. Might seem confusing at first, but Novus Ordos might hear things differently if they hear it that way.
I kind of like the name, "counterfeit Vatican II church of darkness."
Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) had seen in her visions a “counterfeit church of darkness” occupying Rome at some time in the future, in an era when she also saw the priest facing the people when saying Mass.
"I saw again the new and odd looking church that they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it. People did not receive the Body of our Lord but only bread. Then [Jesus] said to me, "This is Babel" (The Mass in many languages?).
When you say, the Conciliar/Synodal church "includes both an ever-shrinking number of Catholics and an ever-growing number of those who have openly and truly ceased to be Catholics, but have not yet been declared as such by authority," who is the authority to declare such? One of the sede bishops? The true Church in the future under a valid pope? If the latter, it would seem to have to be the result of the miraculous intervention of heaven.
It's interesting to note that Blessed Anna Maria Taigi prophesied that Sts Peter & Paul will appear in Rome to the astonishment of all & appoint a pope after a long period with the Chair of Peter held by false popes. This is from Feeneyite MHFM but I think it contains material worth watching: "Did The Bible Predict 70 Years Without A Pope?"
I’m not sure i’m able to answer that. An ordinary would have had that power over his subjects, I think. But the remaining ordinaries disn’t do it, and many of themselves have ceased to be Catholic too.
If it could be made to happen, perhaps once this multi part article is fully published, it would be a fantastic opportunity to get Fr. Crean, yourself, and Dr. K on with the usual folks, like Radical Fidelity, The Catholic Esquire, Novus Ordo Watch, CFP, and Bishop Sanborn all in one place for a thorough discussion on Kokx News.
Thanks Bill! We will see...
If I am not mistaken, St Michael told the Venerable Catherine Emmerich that if she was the only Catholic there would be the Catholic Church! How appropriate for these times don’t u think?
What a tour de force!
I was recently on Stephen Kokx’s “Trad Roundup,” and one of the panelists (Matt Gaspers) was making the visibility argument against one of his sedevacantist interlocutors, saying that visibility destroys the entire sedevacantist argument.
Because we’d all agreed to an agenda in advance (which was supposed to discuss the forthcoming SSPX episcopal consecrations), and this digression had already gone on for some time, I held my peace and refrained from interjecting, out of respect for Mr. Kokx.
But now I’m glad I did, because my own comments could not possibly have been as lucid, cogent, and complete as what is written here.
A truly excellent article, and one to bookmark!
I still retain the hope that one day you guys will take all these great articles and join them together in book form. They can stand alone as chapters. It wouldn’t take much to do.
Very, very well done. Wow.
Thanks Sean!
There are two more parts to come...
"In this article, we will refer to this body of men as The Conciliar/Synodal Church."
That works, but I am calling it the "Second Vatican Church" - deliberately omitting any reference to a council. Because that was not a council of the Catholic Church, but a new establishment. Might seem confusing at first, but Novus Ordos might hear things differently if they hear it that way.
I kind of like the name, "counterfeit Vatican II church of darkness."
Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) had seen in her visions a “counterfeit church of darkness” occupying Rome at some time in the future, in an era when she also saw the priest facing the people when saying Mass.
"I saw again the new and odd looking church that they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it. People did not receive the Body of our Lord but only bread. Then [Jesus] said to me, "This is Babel" (The Mass in many languages?).
Excellent!
When you say, the Conciliar/Synodal church "includes both an ever-shrinking number of Catholics and an ever-growing number of those who have openly and truly ceased to be Catholics, but have not yet been declared as such by authority," who is the authority to declare such? One of the sede bishops? The true Church in the future under a valid pope? If the latter, it would seem to have to be the result of the miraculous intervention of heaven.
It's interesting to note that Blessed Anna Maria Taigi prophesied that Sts Peter & Paul will appear in Rome to the astonishment of all & appoint a pope after a long period with the Chair of Peter held by false popes. This is from Feeneyite MHFM but I think it contains material worth watching: "Did The Bible Predict 70 Years Without A Pope?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2xYLg0M2LY&t=774s
I’m not sure i’m able to answer that. An ordinary would have had that power over his subjects, I think. But the remaining ordinaries disn’t do it, and many of themselves have ceased to be Catholic too.
Here are a collection of writings, both prophetic & based on Scripture & Tradition on the Church in the latter days:
novusordowatch.org/2024/01/great-apostasy-persecution-death-of-catholic-church
novusordowatch.org/2024/07/mystical-passion-of-the-church-real-vs-fake
whitesmoke1958.com/scripture-scholars-ancient-and-modern
whitesmoke1958.com/prophecies-for-searching-souls