Traditional doctrine and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre show that the reformed Novus Ordo liturgical rites could not have come from the Church with her approval or sanction.
I remember reading The Order of Melchisedech by Michael Davies a while back and if I remember correctly, he seemed to have sufficiently argued in favor of the new rites being invalid. However, in the end of the same book, he brushed all of that aside and considered them to be valid simply because they "came from the Church".
Yes something like that. Very unfortunate. And, as we can see this last reason is both a) false & impossible, and b) acknowledged as such by Lefebvre and the SSPX at various times.
One issue I think needs more attention is the altering of the concept of what a priest or a bishop actually is in the Conciliar/Synodal Church. I was speaking with an NO priest who said his PRIMARY responsibility is the preaching of the Gospel. That is NOT what a Catholic priest does. A Catholic priest offers his life as a sacrifice, like Our Lord. Preaching the Gospel is only part of that. You cannot say that a man who is being ordained into the Conciliar priesthood intends to do what the Church does, if he intends to be a service administrator and preacher...
I have seen good arguments on either side for the inherent validity/invalidity of the form, yet if there is not Catholic concept of Orders being used, then you don't have a valid ordination/consecration.
Excellent work. Thank you.
I remember reading The Order of Melchisedech by Michael Davies a while back and if I remember correctly, he seemed to have sufficiently argued in favor of the new rites being invalid. However, in the end of the same book, he brushed all of that aside and considered them to be valid simply because they "came from the Church".
Yes something like that. Very unfortunate. And, as we can see this last reason is both a) false & impossible, and b) acknowledged as such by Lefebvre and the SSPX at various times.
One issue I think needs more attention is the altering of the concept of what a priest or a bishop actually is in the Conciliar/Synodal Church. I was speaking with an NO priest who said his PRIMARY responsibility is the preaching of the Gospel. That is NOT what a Catholic priest does. A Catholic priest offers his life as a sacrifice, like Our Lord. Preaching the Gospel is only part of that. You cannot say that a man who is being ordained into the Conciliar priesthood intends to do what the Church does, if he intends to be a service administrator and preacher...
I have seen good arguments on either side for the inherent validity/invalidity of the form, yet if there is not Catholic concept of Orders being used, then you don't have a valid ordination/consecration.
Interesting point here and in your other comment. Thanks.