An additional, potentially enormous, fly in the ointment is whether P6's 1969 episcopal consecration rite for Western bishops is valid, in which case, after 57 years, the majority of Western Catholic hierarchy and clergy are mere laymen.
This would simplify things in the West, but most of the Eastern Catholic bishops and clergy, valid though they are, have drunk the Vatican II Kool-Aid and accept the Bergoglian and Prevostian usurpers as real popes. Another big fly in the ointment.
I'd read that it was made mandatory by Easter time of 1969.
I've read the article you link. Excellent! Fr. Cekada's work linked therein is invaluable. Too bad that some won't engage his compelling data set on account of him being a
[Scarlet S!!!] Sede!
True seeking for the Truth requires engaging with valid data regardless of the views of who's presenting that data. I do that as a Great Flood Geologist.
I assume you've read Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI by Fr Anthony Cekada, which covers the history & development of both the Traditional & the New Mass, especially the latter, the key individuals involved in the destruction of the TLM, and their stated intentions: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada
If Catholics would read this book, many would never return to the Mass of Paul VI.
Re- the Great Flood, have you seen the little known but excellent presentation, "Cataclysm from Space, 2800 B.C.: The Cause of the Biblical Flood"? This destroys the 14 billion year "uniformitarian" molecules to man theory & strongly supports "catastrophism." Introduced by the great G. Edward Griffin.
Dear RosemaryKnight; thank you for providing resources. I have benefited from your links in the past and will add these to my reading list. God bless you. —Mrs McKenzie
"Work of Human Hands" (wohh) is one of the greatest books of all times. Please pray for a friend of mine, who is considering leaving the Novus Ordo, and he is currently reading this book. My friend is familiar with both the Novus Ordo Missae and the true [Latin] rite and, thus, wohh is particularly appropriate for him since wohh is, for the most part, a comparison study of the two rites.
I've delved much into Fr. Cekada's work. Main thing is that he provides a good data set and paradigm.
Regarding the video about the cataclysm: it's not likely that planets and moons colliding with earth happened: that would imply that the universe around the Earth would already have dangerous objects that could've struck even an Earth totally populated with saints. It seems to me that the Great Flood was a domestic event that flung dangerous objects put into space.
The video doesn't talk about colliding space objects but just passing near the earth, with gravitational pull, etc. causing huge water flow over land masses. They also have debris tails which have destructive effects.
Q: How often are sede priests and bishops offering masses for the election of a Pope? There are specific collects for this intention? Do we hear them every day?
Here’s an interesting blurb from an article regarding the 1988 episcopal consecrations on the subject of necessity dispensing even from (some) divine law, which also seems to be pertinent to this discussion:
“Not even God, the Supreme Legislator, is bound in the state of necessity ."That is why Christ Himself excuses David, who in grave danger ate the breads of proposition which the laity were forbidden to eat by Divine Law."5 According to this principle, not only do human laws cease to oblige in a state of necessity, but even divine-positive and affirmative divine-natural law cease (e.g., "Honor thy father and mother"; "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath Day"). The only law binding in the state of necessity is negative divine-natural law {e.g., "Thou shalt not kill," etc.) . This is because negative divine-natural law prohibits actions that are intrinsically evil and hence forbidden because they are evil, as opposed to actions which are evil only because they are forbidden, such as the consecration of bishops without pontifical mandate.”
I’m posting it because I’m wondering whether, if true, it widens the field of possible solutions pertinent to conclaves/councils? I’m not arguing that it does, but just throwing it out there for discussion.
Sean, the blurb you posted makes a lot of sense. I'm a waterproofing contractor by trade, so I can't add anything to this ecclesiological discussion. It does seem like one angle to explore in order loosen the restrictions on what is acceptable to God in extra ordinary times.
The challeng is when I read articles like Mr. Daly's I'm not sure if there is an answer to the proposed question. It seems like I have more questions than answers when I read the very smart guys at VM review, and others. I'd like to see more clergy weigh in as well. That may help move along some of the requirements of the actual Sheppards getting together in a universal way and spark dialogue between the different camps that don't get along.
"Numerous inconveniences follow upon popular election. The unlearned people are incompetent to judge priestly aptitude, even if they wished to. The majority, the worse and the stupider, will always prevail." For a brief moment there, I thought Daly was referring to the elections of Bergoglio and Prevost.
The authoritative source for papal elections by the faithful is Pope Nicholas II's In Nomine Domine and applies under a forfeiture of right.
"§ 3. Wherefore, if the perversity of depraved and iniquitous men, so prevail, that a pure, sincere and free election cannot be held in the City, let the Cardinal Bishops with the religious Clerics, and the Catholic laity, though few, obtain the right of power (ius potestatis) to elect the Pontiff of the Apostolic See, where they might judge it to be more fitting.
Furthermore, the right to elect a pope pertains to the Roman Church as was done during the first millenium. Popes elected by non Romans are antipopes and do not recieve the grace of Jesus's prayer (Lk 22:32), as they do not meet the juridical requirements that Jesus recognises in Mt 18:18.
"Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven"
Glory to Jesus Christ!
An additional, potentially enormous, fly in the ointment is whether P6's 1969 episcopal consecration rite for Western bishops is valid, in which case, after 57 years, the majority of Western Catholic hierarchy and clergy are mere laymen.
This would simplify things in the West, but most of the Eastern Catholic bishops and clergy, valid though they are, have drunk the Vatican II Kool-Aid and accept the Bergoglian and Prevostian usurpers as real popes. Another big fly in the ointment.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, aid us!!!
It's actually 1968 for the invalid episcopal consecration rite. A good article on it is at
novusordowatch.org/2018/06/unholy-orders-50-years-invalid-ordinations
Glory to Jesus Christ!
That makes things even worse!
I'd read that it was made mandatory by Easter time of 1969.
I've read the article you link. Excellent! Fr. Cekada's work linked therein is invaluable. Too bad that some won't engage his compelling data set on account of him being a
[Scarlet S!!!] Sede!
True seeking for the Truth requires engaging with valid data regardless of the views of who's presenting that data. I do that as a Great Flood Geologist.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, aid us!
I assume you've read Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI by Fr Anthony Cekada, which covers the history & development of both the Traditional & the New Mass, especially the latter, the key individuals involved in the destruction of the TLM, and their stated intentions: sggresources.org/products/work-of-human-hands-by-rev-anthony-cekada
youtube.com/watch?v=KN7oftiL4XY (chapter summaries)
If Catholics would read this book, many would never return to the Mass of Paul VI.
Re- the Great Flood, have you seen the little known but excellent presentation, "Cataclysm from Space, 2800 B.C.: The Cause of the Biblical Flood"? This destroys the 14 billion year "uniformitarian" molecules to man theory & strongly supports "catastrophism." Introduced by the great G. Edward Griffin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oor7Cl0rN7I
Dear RosemaryKnight; thank you for providing resources. I have benefited from your links in the past and will add these to my reading list. God bless you. —Mrs McKenzie
Thank you. BTW, it's RosaryKnight. A friend & I had a website,
knightsoftheholyrosary.com, but it's in limbo right now but can be seen here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240416171500/https://www.knightsoftheholyrosary.com
The Resources page has some little known info. on Fatima, esp. the Third Secret.
"Work of Human Hands" (wohh) is one of the greatest books of all times. Please pray for a friend of mine, who is considering leaving the Novus Ordo, and he is currently reading this book. My friend is familiar with both the Novus Ordo Missae and the true [Latin] rite and, thus, wohh is particularly appropriate for him since wohh is, for the most part, a comparison study of the two rites.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
I've delved much into Fr. Cekada's work. Main thing is that he provides a good data set and paradigm.
Regarding the video about the cataclysm: it's not likely that planets and moons colliding with earth happened: that would imply that the universe around the Earth would already have dangerous objects that could've struck even an Earth totally populated with saints. It seems to me that the Great Flood was a domestic event that flung dangerous objects put into space.
The video doesn't talk about colliding space objects but just passing near the earth, with gravitational pull, etc. causing huge water flow over land masses. They also have debris tails which have destructive effects.
My goof! But my general point still stands.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
I've delved into Fr. Cekada's oeuvre: wonderful data set and compelling paradigm!
Q: How often are sede priests and bishops offering masses for the election of a Pope? There are specific collects for this intention? Do we hear them every day?
An excellent and timely article.
Here’s an interesting blurb from an article regarding the 1988 episcopal consecrations on the subject of necessity dispensing even from (some) divine law, which also seems to be pertinent to this discussion:
“Not even God, the Supreme Legislator, is bound in the state of necessity ."That is why Christ Himself excuses David, who in grave danger ate the breads of proposition which the laity were forbidden to eat by Divine Law."5 According to this principle, not only do human laws cease to oblige in a state of necessity, but even divine-positive and affirmative divine-natural law cease (e.g., "Honor thy father and mother"; "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath Day"). The only law binding in the state of necessity is negative divine-natural law {e.g., "Thou shalt not kill," etc.) . This is because negative divine-natural law prohibits actions that are intrinsically evil and hence forbidden because they are evil, as opposed to actions which are evil only because they are forbidden, such as the consecration of bishops without pontifical mandate.”
https://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm
I’m posting it because I’m wondering whether, if true, it widens the field of possible solutions pertinent to conclaves/councils? I’m not arguing that it does, but just throwing it out there for discussion.
Sean, the blurb you posted makes a lot of sense. I'm a waterproofing contractor by trade, so I can't add anything to this ecclesiological discussion. It does seem like one angle to explore in order loosen the restrictions on what is acceptable to God in extra ordinary times.
The challeng is when I read articles like Mr. Daly's I'm not sure if there is an answer to the proposed question. It seems like I have more questions than answers when I read the very smart guys at VM review, and others. I'd like to see more clergy weigh in as well. That may help move along some of the requirements of the actual Sheppards getting together in a universal way and spark dialogue between the different camps that don't get along.
Anyways thanks for the thoughtful post.
The efficacy of prayer in Daly's piece was a powerful reminder to me. There are things we creatures simply cannot solve.
Bp Fouhy died in 2007.
"Numerous inconveniences follow upon popular election. The unlearned people are incompetent to judge priestly aptitude, even if they wished to. The majority, the worse and the stupider, will always prevail." For a brief moment there, I thought Daly was referring to the elections of Bergoglio and Prevost.
The authoritative source for papal elections by the faithful is Pope Nicholas II's In Nomine Domine and applies under a forfeiture of right.
"§ 3. Wherefore, if the perversity of depraved and iniquitous men, so prevail, that a pure, sincere and free election cannot be held in the City, let the Cardinal Bishops with the religious Clerics, and the Catholic laity, though few, obtain the right of power (ius potestatis) to elect the Pontiff of the Apostolic See, where they might judge it to be more fitting.
Furthermore, the right to elect a pope pertains to the Roman Church as was done during the first millenium. Popes elected by non Romans are antipopes and do not recieve the grace of Jesus's prayer (Lk 22:32), as they do not meet the juridical requirements that Jesus recognises in Mt 18:18.
"Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven"
Well spoken, John!